Hi
I moved the above hard drive, which contains data from another machine in which the power had failed, to a AMD -k6 3D processor 64 MB RAM. When I run setup CMOS will not recognize it as a secondary master. The BIOS is Award 8/25/99, V 4.51PG.
In Windows 98SE, Device Manager sees the drive as Generic IDE Type 80, with no drive letter available.
Is the processor inadequate for this size drive, or does it appear that the drive is faulty. It is about 2 years old, and I need to recover the data if possible. Advice would be appreciated.
Thank you
Ian Davidson
Full Version: Seagate Barracuda 7200.7 80GB
QUOTE(ian_marg @ Jul 19 2006, 05:13 PM) 
Is the processor inadequate for this size drive, or does it appear that the drive is faulty. It is about 2 years old, and I need to recover the data if possible. Advice would be appreciated.
Ian, it is not the processor that has a problem, nor the HDD. The BIOS has a 32Mbyte limit, as issued. There may have been an update to remove that limit.
Check http://www.esupport.com/biosupgrades/ for Award recommended upgrades.
You will want to obtain a full system description, perhaps. Everest v1.5.1 and/or aida32 3.94.2 are good for that. If you need additional information, please provide details for your motherboard, which these programs will disclose for you.
If all you want is to recover the data on the drive, you might want to put it in another machine; with a BIOS capable of handling the 80Mbyte capacity drive.
hi iam try to set the jumper pin to slave or if it wont work i guess the hd has a much higher o.s. installed that causes your windows 98Se not to detect the hd.
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QUOTE(ian_marg @ Jul 20 2006, 01:13 AM)
Hi
I moved the above hard drive, which contains data from another machine in which the power had failed, to a AMD -k6 3D processor 64 MB RAM. When I run setup CMOS will not recognize it as a secondary master. The BIOS is Award 8/25/99, V 4.51PG.
In Windows 98SE, Device Manager sees the drive as Generic IDE Type 80, with no drive letter available.
Is the processor inadequate for this size drive, or does it appear that the drive is faulty. It is about 2 years old, and I need to recover the data if possible. Advice would be appreciated.
Thank you
Ian Davidson
I moved the above hard drive, which contains data from another machine in which the power had failed, to a AMD -k6 3D processor 64 MB RAM. When I run setup CMOS will not recognize it as a secondary master. The BIOS is Award 8/25/99, V 4.51PG.
In Windows 98SE, Device Manager sees the drive as Generic IDE Type 80, with no drive letter available.
Is the processor inadequate for this size drive, or does it appear that the drive is faulty. It is about 2 years old, and I need to recover the data if possible. Advice would be appreciated.
Thank you
Ian Davidson
QUOTE(ian_marg @ Jul 19 2006, 05:13 PM)
I need to recover the data if possible. Advice would be appreciated.
You have a couple of other options, neither of which I'd regard as optimal in your situation. You could check with Seagate, and see if they have a software overlay (between the drive and the BIOS) which lets the large drive be recognized. I have a hunch that would blow away your data.
You could buy and install a separate PCI IDE controller board with its own BIOS designed to support large HDD's. e.g http://www.promise.com/product/product_gui...htm#Controllers
[Dear jim
Put the drive into a Windows XPmachine with a later BIOS, and now see all the files, so I can at least copy them, and play around with the old machine's BIOS later.
Many thanks for your help.
Regards
Ian]
Put the drive into a Windows XPmachine with a later BIOS, and now see all the files, so I can at least copy them, and play around with the old machine's BIOS later.
Many thanks for your help.
Regards
Ian]
I upgraded the BIOS, courtesy of your help. The BIOS now recognizes the 80GB drive, but W98SE doesn't assign it a drive letter. It shows in device manager as generic HDD.
Should I now be tweaking windows somehow ?
Regards
Ian
Should I now be tweaking windows somehow ?
Regards
Ian
QUOTE(ian_marg @ Jul 26 2006, 08:08 PM)
I upgraded the BIOS, courtesy of your help. The BIOS now recognizes the 80GB drive, but W98SE doesn't assign it a drive letter. It shows in device manager as generic HDD.
If the HDD came from an XP or 2000 machine it may be formatted as a NTFS drive. The NTFS partition won't be recognized in Win 98.
Assuming that you have saved the data you want, and want to use the drive on the (no longer MS supported) Windows 98 machine, you could use FDISK to establish FAT16 or FAT32 partition(s) on the HDD. That would destroy the data on the drive.
A possible alternative to using FDISK that might have more utility for you would be to manage the partitioning of the HDD in a Windows XP machine. (I'd try this first, if I had access to the right machine.) On a Windows XP machine where you have Admin authority, open [Start>Settings>Control Panel>Administrative Tools] Administrative Tools>Computer Management>Storage>Disk Management. This will display the drive information, and let you change its setup. You can establish partitions, extended partitions, logical drives and the file systems for each using this utility, just as with FDISK, but with the option of reserving segments of the drive for NTFS based data structures, in case you want to be able to use that mode in an XP environment later.
Using this will require that the XP Service [Start>Settings>Control Panel>Administrative Tools>Services] has the "Logical Disk Manager" service running.
If you would rather use FDISK to establish a file system readable by Win 98, you can check here for instructions:
Bell Atlantic FDISK procedure
or the MS official version.
If I have guessed wrong about your situation these suggestions may be irrelevant, and I would apologize and ask you for a more detailed description of your system environment and intentions.
QUOTE(Jim Pivonka @ Jul 27 2006, 08:47 PM)
If the HDD came from an XP or 2000 machine it may be formatted as a NTFS drive. The NTFS partition won't be recognized in Win 98.
Assuming that you have saved the data you want, and want to use the drive on the (no longer MS supported) Windows 98 machine, you could use FDISK to establish FAT16 or FAT32 partition(s) on the HDD. That would destroy the data on the drive.
A possible alternative to using FDISK that might have more utility for you would be to manage the partitioning of the HDD in a Windows XP machine. (I'd try this first, if I had access to the right machine.) On a Windows XP machine where you have Admin authority, open [Start>Settings>Control Panel>Administrative Tools] Administrative Tools>Computer Management>Storage>Disk Management. This will display the drive information, and let you change its setup. You can establish partitions, extended partitions, logical drives and the file systems for each using this utility, just as with FDISK, but with the option of reserving segments of the drive for NTFS based data structures, in case you want to be able to use that mode in an XP environment later.
Using this will require that the XP Service [Start>Settings>Control Panel>Administrative Tools>Services] has the "Logical Disk Manager" service running.
If you would rather use FDISK to establish a file system readable by Win 98, you can check here for instructions:
Bell Atlantic FDISK procedure
or the MS official version.
If I have guessed wrong about your situation these suggestions may be irrelevant, and I would apologize and ask you for a more detailed description of your system environment and intentions.
Assuming that you have saved the data you want, and want to use the drive on the (no longer MS supported) Windows 98 machine, you could use FDISK to establish FAT16 or FAT32 partition(s) on the HDD. That would destroy the data on the drive.
A possible alternative to using FDISK that might have more utility for you would be to manage the partitioning of the HDD in a Windows XP machine. (I'd try this first, if I had access to the right machine.) On a Windows XP machine where you have Admin authority, open [Start>Settings>Control Panel>Administrative Tools] Administrative Tools>Computer Management>Storage>Disk Management. This will display the drive information, and let you change its setup. You can establish partitions, extended partitions, logical drives and the file systems for each using this utility, just as with FDISK, but with the option of reserving segments of the drive for NTFS based data structures, in case you want to be able to use that mode in an XP environment later.
Using this will require that the XP Service [Start>Settings>Control Panel>Administrative Tools>Services] has the "Logical Disk Manager" service running.
If you would rather use FDISK to establish a file system readable by Win 98, you can check here for instructions:
Bell Atlantic FDISK procedure
or the MS official version.
If I have guessed wrong about your situation these suggestions may be irrelevant, and I would apologize and ask you for a more detailed description of your system environment and intentions.
No, the drive came from a W98SE machine, PII I think, . Difficult as the power has failed. I am trying to put it into anAuthentic AMD AMD K6 3D processor, 64 mb ram. It will be the secondary master, primary master is a 2gb HDD. I am trying to do this for my son so he can get on with his university assignments.
QUOTE(ian_marg @ Jul 27 2006, 03:55 AM)
No, the drive came from a W98SE machine, PII I think, . Difficult as the power has failed. I am trying to put it into anAuthentic AMD AMD K6 3D processor, 64 mb ram. It will be the secondary master, primary master is a 2gb HDD. I am trying to do this for my son so he can get on with his university assignments.
I'd still use a Windows XP machine to verify that the partition and formatting of the drive are recognized and determine the file system (which is likely FAT32) being used.
That would leave the question of why the drive is not recognized by the Windows 98 OS in the target machine, even though it is recognized by the BIOS, and by an XP installation on another machine. (If this assumption is incorrect, please let us know.)
I'd run FDISK choosing "display partition information" to determine if FDISK is seeing the correct drive - and avoid applying FDISK to the wrong drive. I'd try this with the machine in slave status on the same cable as the OS drive, if FDISK did not see it on a separate cable where it was master.
A set of possible problems centers on cabling as related to type of drive. Though the auto-select and cable select capabilities offered by modern drives are helpful they are not universally applicable across all environments. So it is possible you need to use drive and cable type (ATA or not?) specific instructions to select the jumper settings for the drive in this environment.
You might want to do a web search for OS specific instructins for installation of your specific hard drive.
For example, Seagate has a support site for its ATA drives at http://www.seagate.com/support/ts/ata/os/index.html that might be useful. There may be similar sites for the make and type of the drive you are working with.
[Found out from my son that he had actually partitioned the drive and run XP. So I moved the drive back to my XP, copied over all the files, than set up two primary partitions in FAT 32, and another in NTFS, returned the drive to the older machine, and all FAT 32 drives were seen. Put it back into the XP, copied all files back, and all appears well.
Many thanks for your help on this.
Only problem now is that in Device Manager, the secondary hard disk controller FIFO has a yellow blob with a question mark. Seems to be working OK, but would there be a reason for this, given the changes I have made.?
Many thanks for your help on this.
Only problem now is that in Device Manager, the secondary hard disk controller FIFO has a yellow blob with a question mark. Seems to be working OK, but would there be a reason for this, given the changes I have made.?
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